“I stand with Mark Latham and I want him back”

The words in the heading are Ross Cameron’s from yesterday’s Outsiders and let me say the same for myself, I stand with Mark Latham and I want him back. Sky News has to understand that they are responsible for what is wonton destruction of possibly the best political satire and commentary we have seen in years. The management team at Sky are to Outsiders what Yoko Ono was to the Beatles. Ross and Rowan dean were excellent but Mark makes it even better. If you are interested in listening to the audio that trapped Mark Latham, you can find it here at Andrew Bolt.

We were also reminded how the ranks of the non-left are continuously being depleted with the loss of Bill Leak, who was represented by his son; with the absence of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, whose visit to Australia has had to be postponed; and by the disappearance of Mark Latham himself. I am hardly alone in wanting him back.

America’s war aims

Let me begin where I last ended:

Just exactly what are America’s war aims in Syria? And how will I be able to tell when those war aims have been achieved? Here the issue is stated in the way I think of it and the kind of questions that need to be answered before sending the military into conflict:

The outstanding politico-military lesson is an old one: that one clarify one’s aim before one embarks upon a military operation; ruthlessly and objectively dissect and analyse where it will lead, what is to be gained from it, and what one will be faced with when it is over.

So the conclusions I have come to reading the comments to the previous post, which I found very helpful, and from others are these.

1) The missiles had virtually nothing to do with the use of poison gas on civilians. Useful as a focus and explanation, but not in any way the actual reason.

2) The actions have almost nothing to do with Syria itself. The Syrian conflict remains as it was. ISIS is getting pounded and will eventually be ground into dust. That’s what the Russians are doing and will continue to do. What happens to Assad is of no real concern to anyone.

3) The actual point was the restoration of American red lines as something others should start paying attention to. There are other issues everywhere, with North Korea, Iran and the South China Sea high on the list. When the United States now says they have a view on something, others are going to start paying attention. Obama has gone and a the defence of Western values is now back on the agenda.

4) Beyond the actual conflict, this is a statement in defence of Western values and our way of life. Trump is not just focusing on military matters and international conflicts but our freedoms and its political system. He is saying don’t mess with us, and dare I say it, because with all our flaws, we have the only way of life that can allow different peoples from different cultures with different backgrounds to live together in peace. But first you have to accept our rules, and if you don’t like them then find somewhere else to live. And that goes for the UN as well, whose hypocrisies are now anathema.

5) Strangely, this might well have been an action that has potentially cemented an American alliance with the Russians. This was never going to lead to World War III. But beyond that we may be heading to an American-Russian foreign policy condominium which would be a very good outcome. Who can tell on that one, but our interests there and elsewhere are often closely aligned. Because of the American left and its media enablers this confrontation in Syria may well have been the sole means to bring such an outcome into reality. Why not be an optimist?

Let me give the last word to Tom Cotton, who is destined to succeed Donald Trump in 2024.

The world now sees that President Trump does not share his predecessor’s reluctance to use force. And that’s why nations across the world have rallied to our side, while Russia and Iran are among the few to have condemned the attack.

The threat of the use of force — and its actual use when necessary — is an essential foundation for effective diplomacy. Mr. Obama’s lack of credibility is one reason the United States watched in isolation as Russia and Iran took the lead at recent Syrian peace conferences. It’s also why Iran got the better of us in the nuclear negotiations and North Korea has defied us for years.

With our credibility restored, the United States can get back on offense around the world. In Syria, Mr. Assad knows that we have many more Tomahawk missiles than he has airfields. So do his supporters in Moscow and Tehran.

You will notice if you read the article, other than a passing reference at the start to poison gas in Syria, the rest is about the re-establishment of American power. And there is nothing sentimental about that.

Now what and where does it go from here?

Where are the positives in bombing Syria?

Sort of diminishes the story that Russia had hacked the election to ensure that Trump would win.

Kind of cuts the feet beneath the Democrats since they are the type of people who actually think a purposeless attack on somebody we don’t like can actually achieve something.

Maybe reduces the use of gas as an offensive weapon in a theatre of war against civilian populations.

Seems to have genuinely upset the Iranians so at least there is something that has been achieved. That there are others that have said good words I discount – such as Britain, Israel and for heaven’s sake, Australia. They are allies and therefore are unlikely to have said a word of criticism in public.

It may have been popular enough to have brought some redemption to Trump and may lead to some improvement in the polls for both him and the Republicans.

It puts everyone on notice that Trump will actually take action rather than let things lie.

Here are the negatives.

It reminds me how lacking in common sense the foreign policy of democratic nations have become. If the same people who support this kind of action are the same as those who put up “Refugees Welcome” signs then the ability to reason about consequences is severely impaired. We are dealing with national interests and protecting our borders and way of life. This is as stupid as “the war on terror” when it is, as Trump used to say, a war on radical Islamic terrorism. Now we are in the midst of a battle to remove chemical weapons from battles. That’s fine as a tenth level issue. There are plenty of ways to kill people, even children. To wallow in how awful it is to see people die this way rather than in some other way is ridiculous. The Allied bombing of Germany killed many many children. It is not a primary war aim, or even secondary, to start worrying about the particular way one side is attacking and killing the other. The aim should be to win or get out. What exactly was Trump trying to do? Completely lost on me.

It utterly clouds the battle lines of the Middle East. Who are we with? Who do we want to see win? They are all repulsive but if the aim is not to see the Islamists seen off as a first priority then I have no idea why we are involved at all. It had occurred to me that there might be some kind of rapprochement between the Russians and US on this particular issue. Russia is no longer an ideological enemy. We have conflicting interests, which mainly focus on European security. But in the Middle East, how are our interests and theirs in fundamental conflict? ISIS first and then we can worry about the rest.

It clouds my initial hope that Trump would become a man who saw the long view and could push back on his enemies. Instead, it makes me think he may be no better than the man (and woman) in the street who bases such momentous decisions on his “feelings”. Really, one can genuinely be sickened at the way the war is being conducted, but national leaders should not be led around by sentiments such as these:

Using a deadly nerve agent, Assad choked out the lives of helpless men, women and children. It was a slow and brutal death for so many. Even beautiful babies were cruelly murdered in this very barbaric attack. No child of God should ever suffer such horror. Tonight I ordered a targeted military strike on the airfield in Syria from where the chemical attack was launched.

If you want to do something about limiting chemical warfare, this is probably not the time and certainly not the place to do it. If this is what Trump is about, he will be not become anywhere near the president I was hoping for. Better than Hillary would ever have been, but not the president I was hoping he would be.

It was thus interesting to read Georgina Downer’s guest post which really is an example of emotionalism without any obvious sense of the broader policy outcome to be achieved. Really, how beyond serious sense is this:

So, struck by the tragic images of dead and dying children in Khan Sheikun in Syria, the next day an emotional Trump announced to the world that, as US President, he had a responsibility to respond to the attack that crossed “many, many lines, beyond a red line”.

The last thing in the world I am looking for is a president driven by sentimental nonsense. Did no one foresee any of this?

Kremlin tells U.S. it’s ‘one step from war’ as Trump warns he will hit Syria AGAIN after his attack on Russia’s ally Assad triggers fears of World War Three

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev denounced Donald Trump

Vladimir Putin has now diverted warship the Admiral Grigorovich to protect the Syrian coast

And now what and where does it go from here?

A COUPLE OF FURTHER QUESTIONS: So let me put it like this: just exactly what are America’s war aims in Syria? And how will I be able to tell when those war aims have been achieved? Here the issue is stated in the way I think of it and the kind of questions that need to be answered before sending the military into conflict:

The outstanding politico-military lesson is an old one: that one clarify one’s aim before one embarks upon a military operation; ruthlessly and objectively dissect and analyse where it will lead, what is to be gained from it, and what one will be faced with when it is over.

Who’s he hiding from?

And what’s he afraid of? This is all the story there is.

An imam forced into hiding after saying Muslim schools should close and for supporting a controversial anti-Islam speaker now is calling for Australia to appoint a female mufti to give women a voice.

Adelaide-based Sheik Mohammad Tawhidi, who is in hiding in a remote location, said he supported the views of former Dutch politician Aayan Hirsi Ali, who on Thursday night told The Bolt Report that Muslim women were too afraid of retribution to speak against sharia law. She also described a group of Muslim women who protested against her visit to Australia, before it was cancelled early this week, of being “fake feminists” carrying the flag for Islamists.

Sheik Tawhidi said there were no women on the National Imams Council and they did not have a voice. “If Australian Muslims want to prove they’re responsive to women, we need to change,” he said. “There’s not one woman on the grand council who’s given a voice. We need a female mufti in Australia.”

He said although other Islamic countries were changing, Australia was not, and the religion needed to reform to respond to the changing roles of women.

“There’s no elevation of women in Islam … of course women are downtrodden, this is something nobody can deny.”

The council did not return calls seeking comment on the issue.

Sheik Tawhidi said he had received hundreds of calls from Muslim women at his Islamic Association of South Australia office, alleging spousal abuse.

“Women are too afraid to speak out. I’ve had over 500 calls to my office since January 2016, saying their husbands beat them,” he said.

“When I speak like this they’ll kill me because I’m saying it from the inside. The cultural dimensions of the Muslim community don’t allow women to stand out.”

Born in Iran, Sheik Tawhidi describes himself as a Shia Muslim “creationist, educator, speaker, preacher, thinker, researcher and author”. He is the imam at the Islamic Association of South Australia, but told The Weekend Australian he did not preach at a mosque and instead operated from venues, university theatres, ministries and offices.

Sheik Tawhidi said he had hired lecture theatres at the University of South Australia and lectured at the University of Tehran, the Simon Fraser University in Canada, and Carleton University in Ottawa, although the international universities could not be confirmed. He says he started his studies in Perth before undertaking studies at the Islamic Seminary in Qum, Iran, before returning to Australia in 2015.

Sentimentality in politics

That a million supposed refugees have entered Europe on the back of a photo of a single drowned child is no different from the massive increase in tensions in the Middle East because Assad had used poison gas. The American response to what is going on in Syria should be based on national interests and not some picture that upsets some political leader. Sentimentality in politics is a vice. There will be no escalation into war with Russia and the pseudo-tensions of the moment will wash away but it’s a worry all the same.

Still, this was a decision by the entire administration so one can hope some serious strategic thought has gone into it. That Hillary was also calling for action does not give me any additional comfort. Paul Ryan thought it was a bad idea. But the one certainty is that across the world no one any longer thinks they are dealing with Obama.

The inside outsiders

The sound track that got Mark Latham sacked. I may be the last to know, but I picked this up at Andrew Bolt where it is run under the heading MARK LATHAM VS ADAM GOODES: A STUDY IN HYPOCRISY. And if you go to the link, you can find the first of Mark Latham’s Outsiders which I will have to watch in full when I get home tonight.

And to this we can add Mark Latham’s own comment on my previous thread:

Thanks Steve,

Fascinating discussion. Let’s go to the background: on the Outsiders panel show on Sunday 12 March we ran through a series of zany things said on International Women’s Day the previous Wednesday. Five or six items. One of them was the Sydney Boys school prefect video, which had attracted significant media attention. The young men spoke the words of women in trying to help the feminist cause. The first speaker talked about having sex with a man. The video was designed to initially mislead, as only later did it become clear the speakers were quoting women.

I have spoken to scores of people who have said, upon first viewing of the video they thought the first speaker was speaking as a young gay man. That was my impression too. I made no value judgement about that, and never would. I simply thought it was a matter of fact. I don’t know why some people regard the word ‘gay’ as derogatory. I don’t. I was taught in the ALP in the 1980s to look through race, gender and sexuality as minor genetic/preference variations between people.

On the day before our show, the SMH ran a letter from the nearby Sydney Girls school students, attacking the ‘male video prefects’ as having no right to make a statement about feminism, saying they had a “toxic male culture” at their school.

On Outsiders we played the video to highlight that “men can’t win” – if you try to help with a well-intentioned (albeit strange and misleading) video, the feminists will bag you anyway.

Ross Cameron chipped in to say, words to the effect of, “These young fellas ought to be aware that the girls they are trying to impress will run off with a Western Sydney tradie in a ute.”

Very funny. In the laughter, I quipped, words to the effect of, “Well, I thought the first one was gay, so it won’t affect him”.

That’s all.

All I was saying was that the first speaker wouldn’t be impacted by Ross’s observation. There was no condemnation meant, nor should any have been taken. Indeed, that was the initial outcome.

The show would have had 30-40,000 viewers, including the ABC Media Watch, Buzzfeed, Fairfax etc gang who always watched, hoping to jump onto slip-ups. No one said a word about my comments until 17 days later, when other matters had arisen via ‘lawfare’. I still don’t know the reaction to all this from the first prefect speaker. Publicly, I have said if he’s upset at all by my words or by the controversy itself, then I apologise.

This is a feature of the Left’s confected outrage/PC industry: no problem at the time, but if they can delve back into history when a political target is vulnerable for other reasons, they will.

What happened to me was essentially a stitch up. None of the critics gave a crap about the school prefect. They had long been silent. It was all about closing down my (hopefully effective) critique of their ideology.

The mere mention of the word “gay” today is enough to have companies harassed and people sacked. The Left has turned it into a demon word, when I believe I have never used it that way.

True, I am a former Labor leader. I’m not a conservative, I’m a social democrat. And from that perspective, I oppose identity politics as a divisive, segregationist doctrine that weakens social trust and cohesiveness – the basic raw materials of community and the good society. You don’t have to be from the Right to oppose identity politics as an abomination. Peter Baldwin (ex senior minister and ALP Socialist left faction) has raised a critique similar to mine. You don’t have to be from the Right to oppose the extreme Left.

In summary, that’s what happened. If civility-conservatives think that’s fine, they might as well surrender the country and culture wars to the Identity Left right now. We should all go to the pub and have a Coopers instead.

They (and others) would be saying, in fact, no one can make an evidence-based quip about another person in the context of a very funny joke and very strange video.

In hindsight, I would have been better off joining the girls’ school in attacking the male prefects as toxic and calling for them to never speak about gender issues again.

Now ain’t that sad!!

We’re crazy and we vote

If you are interested in Australia’s energy future you can see it here in my home province of old: Ontario manufacturers eye greener pastures stateside as hydro rates go through the roof.

“The government treats us like bourgeois sweatshop operators who have to be stopped,” said Bamford, who has organized dozens of medium-sized companies into the Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers of Ontario. “All the businesses are terrified of the government. My husband said, ‘Well, do you just want to pick up and go?’ And I said, ‘Well, I guess I gotta just stay and fight.’ I feel like I’m the Norma Rae of manufacturing.”

Automatic Coating’s electricity bill has more than doubled in the past decade. Its bill for last November was $49,209.68. The first line is for electricity: $6,577.93. The second line is much harder to explain: it is the euphemistic Global Adjustment charge: 217,165 kWh at 11.6 cents each for a total of $25,223.73.

The Global Adjustment contains many different costs, including Ontario’s payments to solar and wind energy makers at far more than the market rate, the cost to sell excess power to U.S. states at a loss, and even the cost of replacing light bulbs with LED bulbs.

They’re nutters every one – the ones in government and the ones who put them there – but they come in very large numbers. We’re crazy and we vote is not the line they use but it is the reality. They are now as disconnected from reality as we will all soon be from a secure source of affordable power.

[Via Small Dead Animals]

Why should it be illegal to punch someone you disagree with in the head?

These people could never see a single flaw in a President Obama but now they can write this, and perhaps they even believe it:

What is most worrisome about Trump is Trump himself. He is a man so unpredictable, so reckless, so petulant, so full of blind self-regard, so untethered to reality that it is impossible to know where his presidency will lead or how much damage he will do to our nation. His obsession with his own fame, wealth and success, his determination to vanquish enemies real and imagined, his craving for adulation — these traits were, of course, at the very heart of his scorched-earth outsider campaign; indeed, some of them helped get him elected. But in a real presidency in which he wields unimaginable power, they are nothing short of disastrous.

Although his policies are, for the most part, variations on classic Republican positions (many of which would have been undertaken by a President Ted Cruz or a President Marco Rubio), they become far more dangerous in the hands of this imprudent and erratic man. Many Republicans, for instance, support tighter border security and a tougher response to illegal immigration, but Trump’s cockamamie border wall, his impracticable campaign promise to deport all 11 million people living in the country illegally and his blithe disregard for the effect of such proposals on the U.S. relationship with Mexico turn a very bad policy into an appalling one.

OK borderline insane but this was the bit I found the most impressive:

Many Republicans, for instance, support tighter border security and a tougher response to illegal immigration.

Is the implication here that no Democrats do, or only a handful? Then the point should be made that this is ILLEGAL. These West Coast types must have fried their thought processes in grass and smack if they cannot understand that the moment an illegal migrant enters a country they are already outside the law. If the Democrats are a party supporting the breaking of the law, then why would anyone vote for them. There are plenty of laws I or anyone else might consider unfair, or at least in some way to their disadvantage. Border control is not some massive breach of ethics but standard practice everywhere. If they cannot even understand that, what hope is there for them to understand anything at all?

Moreover, these views are so deranged that it is impossible to understand where one might even begin to discuss any issue of importance. If building a wall as a form of border protection is so outside the range of their conception of the possible and the practical, they cannot even enter the conversation. If they cannot even think there might be a case for keeping illegal migrants out, and for removing illegals who have broken other laws, then what can you talk to them about? They are a lost cause because they are so politically blinded by their irrational hatreds that it becomes hard to understand how they could be constructive in dealing with these and other problems under a President Trump.