Mill and the marginalists

There was a list of papers put up on the History of Economics website this week dealing with the History and Philosophy of Economics, of which the first was this, from which I have also excerpted the relevant bits for what I comment on:

Sraffa’s Silenced Revival of the Classical Economists and of Marx.
Guglielmo Chiodi (Sapienza University of Rome (IT))

The standpoint of the old classical economists as well as of Marx “has been submerged and forgotten since the advent of the ‘marginal’ method” – to borrow Sraffa’s own words. The neoclassical (or ‘marginal’) paradigm, in fact, triumphantly dominated over the twentieth century (and is still dominating even now). A serious step towards the rehabilitation of the paradigm of the old classical economists was made by Sraffa (1951) with his remarkable ‘Introduction’ to Ricardo’s Principles, his seminal 1960 book Production of Commodities by Means of Commodities (PCMC) followed a few years later, as a logical completion of his long-standing work.

After long contemplating whether I should stir up this particular hornets’ nest, in a went with my own reply. Here then is what I wrote.

A very interesting list, but I was quite struck by the first of these on Sraffa since I have been attempting the same resurrection, except that I would replace Marx with John Stuart Mill and would write:

The standpoint of the old classical economists as well as of Mill has been submerged and forgotten since the advent of the ‘marginal’ method.

The latter half of the nineteenth century was, in my view, the high point of economic theory, which is why Marx still attracts so many since he constructed his theories on the framework that had been crafted by the classical economists of his time. But much more acute was Mill whose economics may never have been surpassed. The “marginal method” shifted economics from the supply side to the demand side, bad enough in itself since it set up the advent of the Keynesian Revolution, but beyond that, removed the moral and ethical side of economic theory from the way economics was taught and understood and replaced it with a mathematical approach based on an unmeasureable and largely mythical entity called utility. The entrepreneur disappears and everything ends up determined by the relative addition to utility of increased units of particular forms of output. The human, moral and philosophical dimensions of life have vanished. Thus, if the aim is to provide “a genuine alternative perspective and a radically different representation of the economy, compared with that provided by neoclassical theory” you have no need to go to Marx, but can do it in a more sure-footed way by going to Mill.

As an example of what we might find in such a change in direction, let me provide this quote from Volume II of The Growth of English Industry and Commerce in Modern Times by W. Cunningham. Volume II is titled “Laissez-Faire” and at pages 745-46 of my copy (CUP 1912 but written much earlier) we find this:

“The economist of the early part of last century was ready to explain how the greatest amount of material wealth might be produced but not to discuss the uses to which it might be applied; he was prepared to show on what principles it was distributed among the various individuals who formed the nation, and to leave the question of consumption to each personally. But philanthropic sentiment and religious enthusiasm were not content to leave the matter there, and public opinion was gradually roused to demand that practical statesmen and their expert advisers should look farther ahead. Under the influence of these larger views, John Stua

The question really comes down to what questions a modern economist can answer that a classical economist could not, and I cannot think of any at all. As for the questions that a classical economist tried and did answer, there were many that no modern economist is able to answer, at least not within the confines of economic theory as it now is.rt Mill gave a new turn to economic study. He was not satisfied with discussing mere material progress. He could contemplate a stationary state with calmness; he could not but dwell with bitterness on the great misery which accompanied increasing wealth; and he tried to formulate an ideal of human welfare in his chapter On the Probably Futurity of the Working Classes. In this way he succeeded in indicating an end towards which the new material resources might be directed, and thus restored to Economics that practical side, w

hich it had been in danger of losing since the time of Ricardo. It is important that we should have a method of isolating economic phenomena and analysing them as accurately as may be, and this Ricardo has given us; but it is also desirable that we should be able to turn that knowledge to account, – to see some end at which it is worthwhile to aim, and to choose the means which will conduce towards it; this we can do better, not merely intuitively and by haphazard, but on the reasoned grounds, since the attempt was first made by Mill.

The question really comes down to what questions a modern economist can answer that a classical economist could not, and I cannot think of any at all. As for the questions that a classical economist tried and did answer, there were many that no modern economist is able to answer, at least not within the confines of economic theory as it now is.

A very good 500 days with many more to come

There are no even-handed accounts. There are only individual perspectives. But all that being so, there are still shared beliefs and political aims that transcend the individuals who hold these aims and beliefs. So here is one more perspective from yet another who sees PDT coming up short: MAGAnomics: a 500 Day Appraisal. Here is a reply via Catallaxy from Bruce of Newcastle.

Very naïve article from Mr Firey.

First: fiscal policy is in the hands of Congress, who presented a bipartisan omnibus porkbarrel bill to Trump on the budget. He signed because there wasn’t much choice against a probable veto-busting majority.

Second: The GOP elites have been underhandedly opposing Trump to try and keep the party out of his control. Thus McConnell has been vacillating in the Senate about the Dems slow walk approval of Trump nominees to key administration positions. That prevents Trump from pushing his agenda through the bureaucracy. In this light it’s amazing how much he’s achieved despite opposition from both parties and the deep staters.

Third: Mr Firey does not comprehend the Art of the Deal strategy which Trump is applying to foreign relations and trade. The tariffs are doubly designed, first to appeal to the blue collar Democrats dumped on the scrapheap by Obama’s embrace of left coast and NYC progressives, and secondly to bring other countries to a deal.

The problem at the moment is both the EU and China are prepared to die in a ditch for ideological reasons rather than deal on trade. The soy tariffs China brought in are a terrible own goal* for Chinese people who rely on cheap soy beans. But Xi is in a Great Game conflict with the US for his own reasons, in which trade is a tool of dominance. EU likewise is in the grip of the Left, and they hate Trump with an irrational fervor.

We’ll see how this goes. Trump is pushing tariffs as a tactic. The tactic may fail, but the aim is a good one: to break down to non-tariff barriers that the EU and China are now getting away with.

(* “There simply aren’t enough soybeans in the world outside of the U.S. to meet China’s needs,” said Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics.)

And it really ought to be emphasised that economics is far from the only reason for supporting PDT, not to mention that the US economy is in the midst of an astonishing revival.

Reflexive ignorance across the media

ADDED ON: Old Ozzie mentioned in the comments that the Russian President had spoken about a Western assault on Christianity and traditional values in 2013 – just before anti-Russian troubles began, so I went looking to see what he meant, and there below in the vid is what I found. Not at all what you might have expected.

https://youtu.be/Y4I7Cnpirw8

ORIGINAL POST

Thank you for noting the typical far left media bias at the ABC, Rafe, but what can you expect? The ABC is just reflex ignorant as this article today on Venezuela provides one more example: IMF: Venezuela’s inflation on track to top 1 million percent which comes via the ever-unreliable Associated Press. Heaven forbid they should mention that socialism has had anything to do with it. Instead, their authority on the nature of the problem is no less than the President of Venezuela himself:

Socialist President Nicolas Maduro often blames Venezuela’s poor economy on an economic war that he says is being waged by the United States and Europe.
Maduro won a second six-year term as president despite the deep economic and political problems in a May election that his leading challenger and many nations in the international community don’t recognize as legitimate.

Two of the most uninformed sentences you are ever likely to find, specially designed for those who want to hide themselves from reality. It is even possible that the ABC knows better, but the last people to actually try to explain it are the ones who want the same kinds of economic management in Australia.

But this media ignorance continues everywhere. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a sickness that will do us all in and if we are not very careful put an end to Western Civilisation within a generation. The latest bit of TDS is from Troy Bramston in a column as empty and unhistorical as it is possible to be: Putin could never have suckered Reagan like Trump the chump. I will merely make the obvious point that when Reagan was president, Russia was the Soviet Union and when Reagan met with the Soviet President he was dealing with the core ideological issue of the time. As it happens, I supported Reagan then just as strongly as I support Trump now, and for much the same reasons. Russia is no longer communist, so perhaps it is time to bury the hatchet. Bramston doesn’t like Trump, but so what? He is like virtually every other media type, with nothing to add to the conversation other than empty rhetoric. Here are a few of the comments on the column at The Australian, starting from the top and working my way down. There are plenty more like these, and in fact I never came to a single comment that supported him.

So the writer was in the meeting between Trump and Putin!! I’m sick to death with this type of article. No wonder many of us no longer trust the media.

Oh my Lord … talk about Trump Derangement Syndrome writ large. This column should be compulsory study for journalism students in what NOT to write. There are so many falsehoods and opinions masquerading as fact that no-one could even begin to deconstruct it! Truly shameful, Oz.

What was Trump to do about funding 70% NATO, May’s feckless indecisive dithering over Brexit, the Steele dossier fraud, the FBI, CIA stacked with anti Trump activists, the Muller witch hunt, an irrational left wing media and the list goes on and on. But the best thing he’s done for the US is to get out of that crippling Paris Agreement. If only we had a Trump here.

Sorry Troy…..that days of journalists cherry picking factoids and creating an ideologically charged narratives are over. In this digital world, we are on to you, and what you have tried to run here I know not to be true.

Typical Trump basher. Ignorant of American history and even more ignorant of the American voter. Donald Trump’s supporters don’t care who he’s nice to or how many mistakes he makes as long as he drains the swamp. That’s what they hired him for. He has done exactly what he said he would do when on the campaign trail. That is why people like the writer of this article don’t like him. Donald Trump is not one of them. He is his own man. God Bless Donald Trump.

Mr Bramston, you and many others in the media and political elites will no doubt continue to pile on President Trump but be aware his supporters are as strongly behind him as ever and while his press conference in Helsinki was clumsy, it had no negative effect on his support in America. In fact the more they pile it on, the stronger Trump’s support may get. No doubt you also predicted with absolute certainty that Trump would never beat Hillary, and that Hillary calling Trump’s supporters “deplorables” would have no meaningful impact as well? Hmmm

Engaging in a bit of hyperbole, Troy. The EU is still in place, so too NATO, ANZUS and the rest. Unfortunately for the UK, Australia and the US, so is Theresa May. The fact that some passengers are told to pay up is not a bad thing. The fact some countries taking advantage of trade rules to the detriment of the US are told that must change is not a bad thing. That Trump talks to Putin is not a bad thing. Now, if Kim Jong Un does not deliver on his side of the bargain in Singapore, let’s see how Mr Trump responds. At that point you will be in a better position to see whether Mr Trump was wrong to give talks a chance. But if Rocket Man is sliding from his agreement, I’d be looking to see what role China has been playing in sabotaging any agreement.

“We are witnessing a fracturing of the Western liberal order and a ­decline in US global leadership”. Wrong Mr Bramston, what we are witnessing, thanks to Donald Trump, is a worldwide draining of the swamp and the hopefully the decline of the United Nations and the European Union from taking over our countries.

I’ve not read this article, looks like more Trump bashing. I’m sick of these stories/analysis by people that can’t wait to criticise, when the end of the event in nowhere in sight. Hoping and praying for failure. Can’t you wait to see how it unfolds?

Awesome news filtering in today that the great US President is considering revoking the security clearances of former top Obama era officials. They all conspired against him and need to go now and quickly. Whilst Bramston pummels the keyboard listing all the petty things Trump has done, little does he know that after Iran is fixed, the Federal Reserve will be next on the agenda. There’ll be plenty of time for Troy and his globalists friends to write angry articles about Trump – waaaay into the future as they observe, from the sidelines, the glorious wonders of the swamp getting drained!

Tweet not so softly and carry a big stick

President Trump late Sunday tweeted out to Iranian President Rouhani to never threaten the U.S. again or face historic consequences.

The tweet came on the heels of Rouhani’s warning to Trump that hostile policies could lead to the “mother of all wars” with Iran.

Trump called for Rouhani to stop the rhetoric or “suffer the consequences the like of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. We are no longer a country that will stand for your demented words of violence and death. Be cautious!”

Rouhani earlier warned Trump to stop “playing with the lion’s tail” and threatening Iran, “or else you will regret it.”

Trump earlier this year pulled the U.S. out of the international deal meant to prevent Tehran from developing a nuclear weapon and ordered increased American sanctions.

TO WHICH MAY BE ADDED THIS: The address by the American Secretary of State was delivered at the Reagan Library just to underscore the message:

https://youtu.be/4MmuUpAngDg

From the speech:

You know, despite the regime’s clear record of aggression, America and other countries have spent years straining to identify a political moderate. It’s like an Iranian unicorn. (Laughter.) The regime’s revolutionary goals and willingness to commit violent acts haven’t produced anyone to lead Iran that can be remotely called a moderate or a statesman.

Some believe that President Rouhani and Foreign Minister Zarif fit that bill. The truth is they are merely polished front men for the ayatollahs’ international con artistry. Their nuclear deal didn’t make them moderates; it made them wolves in sheep’s clothing. Governments around the world worry that confronting the Islamic Republic harms the cause of moderates, but these so-called moderates within the regime are still violent Islamic revolutionaries with an anti-America, anti-West agenda. You only have to take their own words for it.

Via Scott Johnson at Powerline.

A frightening example of how useless economic theory has become

Steve Hayward at Powerline discusses just how useless modern economic theory is in trying to make sense of a modern economy. He does so in the context of the newest rising star in the Democrat firmament, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Let me first go to the statement she made that has everyone laughing at her, but I have yet to see anyone explain exactly why she is so out to lunch, which she is: unemployment, she said, is low because most people are working two jobs! But more to the point was this, which is spot on, but doesn’t go anywhere near far enough:

Economics, even on the undergraduate level, has been slowly becoming more mathematically intense in recent years, at the expense of any consideration of economic history or old-fashioned political economy. You will learn good skills from today’s math-heavy economics instruction, but at the loss of direct connection to actual economic issues in the real world. You learn how to make a lot of sophisticated regression models, and how to tease out data sets, but you don’t learn much on how an economy actually works, especially how markets work. The partial exception to this will be the leftist faculty concerned with inequality, labor, and the environment. Hence students will only hear of economic perspectives on current issues from one direction.

The result is that someone who has graduated fourth in her class at Boston University in Economics and Foreign Relations knows next to nothing on how an economy works (and equally has no clue about foreign relations as well). Yet she remains the rising star on the left who are overwhelmingly just as ignorant as she is.

Some comments on Trump v Putin

At Powerline, as soon as I see a column by Paul Mirengoff I head straight to the comments since nothing he says makes any sense. These are comments from a post today on TRUMP’S INCREDIBLE TAKE ON PUTIN’S “INCREDIBLE OFFER”. These make sense to me:

President Trump merely told the obvious truth. Putin is more credible then our ‘intelligence’ agencies who have a long history of lying about the few things they aren’t wrong about. ‘Wrong about’ would include the fall of the Soviet Union, the Berlin Wall, Iran, the Philipines, Hati, Cuba, Cambodia, Rwanda, 911, the rise of Islamic jihad, etc. ‘Lied about’ would include, the Bay of Pigs, assassination attempts on Castro (and others), Tonkin Gulf hoax and what they did before and after in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, spying on Americans, collecting metadata on Americans and most recently borrowing one of their ‘assets’ to the FBI to spy on Trump. If there is one agency that has proved over time to be incompetent, corrupt and dishonest, it is the CIA. I’d take Putins word over a CIA director any day of the week.

Ive always been a bit befuddled by US foreign policy. Usually, we punch the little guys hard (not that I necessarily have a problem with that) and impose only sanctions, of varying degrees, on the big boys. China is an example – we do plenty of business with a country that is not our ally. We enrich them immensely. They have stolen intellectual property, among other things, and life goes on. Has this conduct changed China’s fundamentals? So now we have Trump engaging in ‘unorthodox’ diplomacy and one might think he’s giving away the store. Only problem with that analysis is that his actions towards Russia are much different from Obama’s actions – who apparently practiced orthodox diplomacy, which emboldened Putin. What am I missing?

Disclosure- I am a Russophile. I like Tolstoy and Rimsky-Korsakoff. I am friends with many former Soviet Jews. And unlike a certain dufus, I thank the people who ate the Nazis for lunch. That being said, I agree with Trump. The US had a chance to develop the former USSR into an ally and friend. It didnt help when Clinto meddled in the 1996 election( although he did the same to Israel). When the Soviet Union broke up the US promised not to expand NATO but W did. I didnt see the MSM freaking out when Obama and Soros were meddling in the Russian 2012 election. In 2014 the US spearheaded the Ukraine rebellion -operation Ajax redux- thank you Victoria Nudelman. The Ukraine has been felt as part of Russian sphere of influence and Obama sent agents to overthrow the legal government there. I have yet to see you mention these facts. Or do you feel that when the US does it , its is kosher? I doubt the Diem family would agree.

I’m pro-American, but the US intelligence community has long been pro Democrat rather than pro American. It is a gigantic, scantily accountable bureaucracy that aligns with big government Progressives. As you’d expect from process-driven government agencies, the IC has failed to protect America from multiple avoidable terrorist atrocities, from multiple avoidable cyber breaches (they didn’t even interdict Hillary Klutz, let alone the Chinese) and has shown itself willing to corrupt the 2016 election and attempt a soft coup against the winner. Putin on the other hand is not opposed to America, he is in favor of Russia and grabs what he can get away with on the edge of his own territory not thousands of miles away across the ocean. Trump is essentially right about US/Russia relations.

In my opinion, the most important factor in all of this “rolling over” by American presidents is our media’s constant emphasis on the virtues of “diplomacy”, over everything else, by the American news media. Confrontation is always portrayed as negative. So American presidents have become essentially skittish, constantly looking over their shoulders at the American press and wanting to be in their good graces, portrayed positively. This takes all of their focus off of “what’s betst for America” in the short, medium and long term and all on what will make them get positive reviews. Sometimes what’s good for America in the long term may look bad for America in the short term (or as portrayed by our media). Perfect example is Rekjavik Iceland with Reagan and Gorbachev. Reagan left without a deal and that was portrayed as disastrous by our media – as it turned out he was refusing to accept Gorby’s gambit, and in the long run he got a deal. Unfortunately, what this means is that, today, our media basically drive our policy. Sad, and scary.

As Rush constantly and correctly points out, conventional wisdom is almost always wrong. It seems to me Putin is the one getting rolled. He’s being stymied everywhere and was the one pushing for the summit. So he scores points with the anti-Trump media and NeverTrumpers. Let’s see how the ME (Syria/Iran) shakes out, where Russia is taking a beating, and how they react to DPRK sanctions.

I’m of the opinion our Intelligence agencies are hip-deep in domestic politics. That some at the top of several agencies were and have collaborated with the Democrats during and after the Presidential elections. To suggest their efforts are devoted to protecting us from the Russians ignores the facts. We need protection from them. If Trump’s actions suggests he doesn’t trust or believe them, he is not wrong. I neither trust nor believe them either.

Why shouldn’t Trump take Putin offer? Mueller just got his ass handed to him on his first set of fake indictments of a Russian company. McFaul is a Jackass, the Browder the same. you can’t keep picking a fight with the Russians with no real evidence then hide behind daddy Trump and yell Treason if he won’t protect you. Trying to cause a World War for What? But hurt Dems and Neocons? We already kicked the crap out whole unit of Russians in Syria, Trump already made his point.

Once again the hysterical side gets all the oxygen. Words and posturing are much different than concrete action. I see nothing to show that we have given any ground to Russia. So calm down! No one has given Putin anything. You might consider that Trump is deliberately poking those that have the most to fear from what ever Putin knows . Clearly that’s not Trump. So I wonder who it might be?

Nitpicking. Trump is freewhelling and off script. Overall, Trump is Putin’s worse nightmare. Clinton would have been Putin’s dream come true. Trump would be the last person Putin wants in office. A weak Clinton was the obvious first choice. Trump has:

Deepened economic sanctions on Russian Oligarchs
Kicked many Russia Diplomats out of the US
Pounded Russia assets in Syria
Strengthened Eastern European Missile Defense
Spoken out very strongly against Russian annexation of Crimea
Armed Anti-Russian Ukrainian military to the tune of 1B$
Cajoled NATO to increase spending by 45 Billion dollars- most of which will be used to defend E Europe against Russian aggression
Criticized Germany for reliance on Russian gas
Added major muscle to the US Military
Pulled the plug on the Iranian Nuclear deal, damaging Russian interests
Guaranteed total US energy independence
Started a Space Force as protection against Russian and Chinese possible agression
Then Putin, in an act of deference to Pres Trump, offers some public dirt on Clinton: 400 million of illicit Russian money went to the CF.

Putin is obviously in Trump’s pocket, not the other way around, foolish writers notwithstanding.

The purity wing of the political right

Here’s how it is. The only president on our side of the fence is Donald Trump, just as the only Prime Minister on the Liberal side is Malcolm Turnbull. All present alternatives from other political parties are worse, much worse.

With Donald Trump, thus far he has not tried to do anything I disagree with. He gets it on open borders, public spending, climate change, the Middle East, China, our Nato allies, Brexit and just about everything else. I am not even in the slightest concerned with his personal style, and I love his twitter feed which is a wonderful addition to public discourse. The only reservation I have had was that he was concerned about rising interest rates, but this is a technical thing, and about which in my own view higher rates will stimulate growth since it will reduce the proportion of our savings going towards unproductive projects. On this I am not going to make a fuss, and about everything else I am with him 100%. On tariffs, I am generally in favour of free trade, but only among nations in which cheating on their obligations is not the rule but the exception. I am also pleased to see trade issues being used to achieve foreign policy outcomes, such as the pressure being put on North Korea and its allies to get rid of its nuclear weapons.

About Malcolm I have had my doubts in the past but he is the PM and he leads a party who are generally speaking on my side of things, far more than the people anywhere else. I wish him success, and in that I wish even more success to those members of the party holding their cattle prods to induce the PM to do the right thing. His instincts are generally terrible, but he seems pretty sound on stopping the boats, and seems to be getting the message about population growth. He even seems to be seeing the light about coal-driven power stations. I want him to win the next election, and my preference is not marginal but overwhelming. Lots of things I don’t like about Lib-Nat policies at the moment, but while selling the pass in some areas they are still well in front so far as my own agendas are concerned. I just wish they would become more of a entrepreneurial party – cut down their own spending and reduce business regs much much more than they have, but you can’t always get everything you want.

At Freedomfest I met up with many many people with whom I could agree on things almost totally across the board, a very rare experience but an immense pleasure. But the minute I walked out of the conference venue, there I was in the middle of Las Vegas among people for whom none of that would be true. Not that they wouldn’t necessarily agree with me if they thought about things. But that they never think about these things so don’t agree with my views mostly because CNN got to them first and with better production values.

I am not and never have been a member of the purity wing of the right side of the political divide. I worked in policy far too long to even begin to hope to see things done as I would wish most of the time. Democrats and socialists are a lost cause, same again with the #NeverTrump wing of the so-called right. They are political fools and a danger to us all. On our side there are many points of view, even people who think climate change is a genuine issue that needs urgent attention.

But I do have to say that if you do not see the virtues in the miraculous election of Donald Trump as president, you are a political fool of the highest order. Your opinions are dead to me since as far as I am concerned, you are as big a political dimwit as I can possibly imagine.

The new socialism just like the old socialism

Just think of this in the Age of Venezuela: AP: ‘Democratic Socialism is Surging’. It was surging before and will continue to surge after since socialists are by definition ignorant to an amazing extent about both history and how an economy works. Here’s some of what it says:

As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters….

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE….

Sanders’ plan to provide free government-sponsored health care for all Americans had no co-sponsors in 2013. Today, more than one-third of Senate Democrats and two-thirds of House Democrats have signed onto the proposal, which by one estimate could cost taxpayers as much as $32 trillion.

The co-sponsors include 2020 presidential prospects such as Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and California Sen. Kamala Harris.

Spokesmen confirmed that none of the senators consider themselves democratic socialists, but made no effort to distance from the movement’s priorities.

Most support the push to abolish ICE, which enforces immigration laws.

Complete morons by political operatives who are as shallow as shallow can be about anything actually related to the operation of an economy, never mind the essentials of a free society. And then there’s this:

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the DSA constitution describes their members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

Mainstream nutters getting more mainstream all the time, but as dangerous as it is possible to be.

Trump’s Russian Revolution

Some further reflection on PDT’s dealing with Putin in Helsinki. The truly repulsive bit of the media flak were that nothing positive about the president would ever have been said by the clowns in the media no matter what had happened, not to mention that the last people in the world you would take instruction from on foreign relations, or on anything else for that matter, are journalists. All from Lucianne today.

Trump in Helsinki (II): A Long View
Chronicles Magazine, by Srdja Trifkovic    Original Article
Posted By: trapper– 7/20/2018 1:36:31 PM     Post Reply
Five days after the Helsinki summit I am inclined to believe that President Donald Trump either knows exactly what he is doing—that there is uncanny finesse and foresight behind his bluster—or else that he is guided by an almost unfailing intuition, with similar results. Trump’s refusal to parrot the Intel-deepstaters’ “Russiagate” narrative at last Monday’s press conference is a case in point. [snip] No evidence of any kind exists to prove Russian meddling in 2016, or thereafter. It never will be found, because Podesta’s and DNC mails were leaked, not hacked.
Whisper it but despite his terrible week, Trump
may be absolutely RIGHT to pursue this new
bromance with Putin
Daily Mail (UK), by Piers Morgan    Original Article
Posted By: ladydawgfan– 7/20/2018 3:04:46 PM     Post Reply
President Trump’s had a very bad week. By appearing to side with Russia over his own intelligence agencies on the question of election interference, he made himself look unpatriotic, anti-American and as weak as a ‘wet noodle’ to quote Arnold Schwarzenegger. Trump’s subsequent attempt to wriggle off his self-imposed hook by claiming he meant to say ‘wouldn’t’ not ‘would’ was laugh-out-loud ridiculous. But at least he seemed to realise the offence his original comments had caused. Yesterday, Trump reverted to type and doubled down on the furore by inviting Russian president Vladimir Putin to the White House in a few
Republican Voters Buoy
Trump on Russia/Putin
Real Clear Politics, by Caitlin Huey-Burns    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo– 7/20/2018 11:38:31 AM     Post Reply
As President Trump continues to stumble past his press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin earlier this week, Republican voters are handing him a lifeline. Though many GOP lawmakers have been critical of the president´s statements in Helsinki, party voters are registering their support for Trump´s handling of Putin. According to a CBS News poll released Thursday, 68 percent of Republicans approved of the president´s performance, even as 55 percent of voters overall, including 53 percent of independents, disapproved. And a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Tuesday found that 71 percent of Republicans approved of Trump´s handling of Russia even as more
Who Is Betraying America?
Real Clear Politics, by Caroline Glick    Original Article
Posted By: garnet– 7/20/2018 11:25:23 AM     Post Reply
Did US President Donald Trump commit treason in Helsinki when he met Monday with Russian President Vladimir Putin? Should he be impeached? That is what his opponents claim. Former president Barack Obama’s CIA director John Brennan accused Trump of treason outright. Brennan tweeted, “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki [with Putin] rises to and exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’ It was nothing short of treasonous.” Fellow senior Obama administration officials, including former FBI director James Comey, former defense secretary Ashton Carter, and former deputy attorney general Sally Yates parroted Brennan’s accusation. Almost the entire US media joined them in condemning
Trump Keeps on Ticking
American Spectator, by George Parry    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect– 7/21/2018 5:27:02 AM     Post Reply
Pearl Harbor. Kristallnacht. Treason. High crimes and misdemeanors. These are some of the hyperventilating left’s overheated and ludicrous characterizations of President Trump’s remarks at his Helsinki press conference with Vladimir Putin. Listening to the Democrats and their wholly owned media subsidiary, you would have thought that Trump had (a) smilingly handed Putin a large red “reset” button or (b) had been caught on a hot mic during a global nuclear security summit murmuring to Putin’s representative that, after the midterm elections, he would have more flexibility in his dealings with Russia or (c) had signed off on a deal to give
Trump invites Putin to DC
and trolls the Trump-haters
American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson    Original Article
Posted By: PageTurner– 7/20/2018 11:08:47 PM     Post Reply
President Trump appears to be playing out a geopolitical agenda with Russia´s Vladimir Putin and keeping his cards so close to his chest that even his director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, is in the dark. When the White House revealed yesterday that Putin has been invited by national security adviser John Bolton to the White House for talks, Coats was publicly humiliated at the Aspen Security Conference, where he learned about the invitation onstage, “where he had been telling the audience that the U.S. is ´under attack´ by Russian cyberforces,” according to Dave Boyer and Seth McLaughlin of the

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And there was Stefan Molyneaux as well. I of course only went along in support of my fellow Canadians, but a fun night was had by all, at least for those inside and among those who were not carted out. You can read about the events of the night here and if you are thinking about going along yourself, you can still book tickets for Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide and Auckland here.

As for the various disturbances, they were fun moments, but only because they were so efficiently handled by the organisers. You really do put your life on the line to stand up among a conservative audience. And the necessary arrangements to protect those of us going along, nothing went wrong but it is frightening that, as usual, our left is in copycat mode of what is done in the US. Free speech is the last thing on the minds of the protesters who live in the only societies where protests are allowed while trying to change things so that no protest will ever again be permitted.

And whatever may be the issue over the costs, the police did an excellent job outside the venue to clear a path for us who were interested in hearing what others had to say.

And here is Stefan Molyneux’s Melbourne presentation: